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   171.
   vhrm says:

   December 7, 2020 at 2:23 am GMT • 10.1 hours ago . 700 Words |@Marco de Wit

   1. Has the virus really been isolated in a proper manner?
   It seems isolation has not been done properly. Here is one source that
   quotes CDC:
   https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/12/no_author/does-the-covid-
   19-coronavirus-really-exist/
   That article totally misinterprets what the CDC is saying in the document when they say:
   Positive results are indicative of active infection with SARS-CoV-2 but
   do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses.
   The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease. Detection
   of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that
   2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms.
   This is talking about how to interpret a positive test in a given patient. It is basically a
   technical disclaimer about the capabilities of the test. It reiterate what the test proves
   and doesn’t prove about why this person is sick. It’s saying:

   1) a positive test means this person has SARS-CoV-2 virus in him, but that doesn’t mean
   that that’s the main problem with this particular person. He may also have OTHER
   things that might be causing his respiratory symptoms. i.e. he may also have bacterial
   pneumonia or the common cold or a flu or lung cancer or who knows what and this test
   doesn’t know anything about that.

   As I mentioned above I think there’s very very little room to doubt that there’s a
   pandemic of the Sars-Cov-2 virus that started in 2019 and causes “flu-like” symptoms in
   humans and is especially dangerous to the elderly.
   I think the deaths are much more likely to be caused by that than by Vitamin D
   deficiency or humidity which presumably cycles about the same every year. (though both
   Vitamin D and humidity were discussed at some length in iSteve comments as being
   contributing factors to the spread)
   Now what people and governments should do about it and what government
   interventions are worth it etc. THAT’s been discussed here at length. Steve leans more
   toward the “it’s serious” side, but there has been vigorous back and forth in the
   comments among his readers all along.
   Yes the original projections back in March were very high and the epidemiologists’
   models turned out to be simplistic and not up to the task most of the time. Personally i
   think the lockdowns are economically ill-advised, a near Soviet curtailment of civil
   rights, and definitely “not worth it”. I would have liked a Sweden model.

   2) “Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus”: this part is
   saying that the test can’t tell the difference between an active virus particle that may
   spread and old remnants of chopped up virus.
   As to virus isolation, i’m not a biologist either, but there’s just plenty of evidence that
   that some virus that didn’t exist or was very uncommon before late 2019 then spread
   around the world primarily through the air when people are close to each other. And it
   has disproportionately been found in people who have the COVID-19 disease. i.e. there
   IS a virus and it CAUSES COVID-19 in some people.
   The CDC isolated it in Jan 2020, replicated it and made it available. (see the bottom of
   https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html which
   includes a link to their procedure) Also many many other people have independently
   isolated and sequenced the virus in other places see links in
   (https://fullfact.org/health/Covid-isolated-virus/)
   By this point it it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck, waddles like a
   duck, smells like a duck, tastes like a duck, and has not done anything un-ducklike.
   RE mortality:
   Here again we have to start from the beginning. WHO defines
   pandemic:
   “A pandemic is the worldwide spread of a new disease.” Furthermore
   it is claimed that Covid pandemic is really serious and has relatively
   high mortality.
   Whether there IS a pandemic and how serious it is are two different issues and here we
   may find some common ground.

   As i mentioned above i think there’s very very little room to doubt that there’s a
   pandemic of the Sars-Cov-2 virus that started in 2019 and causes “flu-like” symptoms in
   humans and is especially dangerous to the elderly.
   I think the deaths are much more likely to be caused by that than by Vitamin D
   deficiency or humidity which presumably cycles about the same every year. (though both
   Vitamin D and humidity were discussed at some length in iSteve comments as being
   contributing factors to the spread)
   Now what people and governments should do about it and what government
   interventions are worth it etc. THAT’s been discussed here at length.
   Steve leans more
   toward the “it’s serious” side, but there has been vigorous back and forth in the
   comments among his readers all along.
   Yes the original projections back in March were very high and the epidemiologists’
   models turned out to be simplistic and not up to the task most of the time. Personally I
   think the lockdowns are economically ill-advised, a near Soviet curtailment of civil
   rights, and definitely “not worth it”. I would have liked a Sweden model.
   But that doesn’t mean there’s no pandemic of a virus out here killing people.

   172.
   Marco de Wit says:

   December 7, 2020 at 11:52 am GMT 39 minutes ago. 400 Words |@vhrm

   Thank you for a reasonable reply. Steve Sailer and some others seemed to have gotten
   upset but
   you have discussed this contentious topic in a reasonable and gentleman like
   manner.
   Obviously, we have different sources. You trust the official sources and I do not. Instead I
   trust more “dissident” scientists and virologists such as Peter Duesberg, Kary Mullis and
   Stefan Lanka.
   Neither of us is an expert in virology so I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
   However, can we agree on that:
   1. The burden of proof is on those who demand lockdowns.
   2. Big Pharma has achieved regulatory capture.
   3. Big Pharma/regulators are killing people with too low RDAS
   4. Big Pharma/regulators are killing people by allowing too high pollution and toxicity
   levels.
   (Could we even call it ADAs, “allowed daily allowances”. Please help with terminology.
   5. IP laws give Big Pharma a further incentive to kill people with low RDAs and high
   ADAs.

   6. IP laws give Big Pharma a further incentive to blame viruses for the consequent health
   problems and deaths.
   7. Virus isolation attempts must be done more transparently and more frequently
   preferably by independent groups in an open source manner by taking videos of each
   step.
   8. Prove in an open source manner that people have died from the virus and not just with
   the purported virus (like with AIDS patients according to Duesberg) with the following
   steps:
   It is isolated.
   It is contagious.
   It is pathogenic.
   It exists in large amounts (copies) in one person
   It causes deaths and serious illnesses in people with good immune systems (people who
   do not have serious nutritional deficiencies and are not poisoned by serious pollution
   and toxicities)
   It causes deaths in control groups (preferably big villages) with healthy lifestyles that are
   nutritionally supplemented and do not use masks and do not practice social distancing,
   etc.
   9. There is not enough proof for general lockdowns that destroy both our civil rights and
   the economy while at the same time serving the interests of the cultural Marxist
   globalists and the U$Srael/ruling elite that has achieved state capture with FED
   controlled fractional reserve petrodollar money machine that finances the destruction of
   our rights with censoring and warmongering police state.
   10. We must discuss all these questions in a calm and reasonable manner since our
   freedom and civilisation itself hangs in the balance.

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